Too funny MS ad in Visual Studio Magazine...

Too funny MS ad in Visual Studio Magazine...

Post by Rob R. Ain » Sun, 07 Aug 2005 04:28:40


MS Visual Studio Ad contained in VS Magazine.

Two developers in "hip" clothing diagramming out a huge flow chart on a
beach.

I could NOT stop laughing at the stupidity of the ad -- "Let your ideas run
free"....only to be washed up by the waves when the tide comes in -- this is
exactly so so so Microsoft. Re-invent the dev tools every 3-5 years in the
name of progress and hope developers don't notice -- good revenue generation
for MS, bad career move for developers as they scramble to deal with the
latest *** from MS only to find out it can't do what it used to do, but it
does support the Web development better now -- I mean "isn't everyone doing
web development"??

Get a clue Microsoft.

P.S. -- those two guys you have in the Ad, you need to get out more and see
what real developers look like -- it isn't something out of GQ.
 
 
 

Too funny MS ad in Visual Studio Magazine...

Post by W.G. Ryan » Sun, 07 Aug 2005 05:16:34

<<Re-invent the dev tools every 3-5 years in the

Is that what they did? I didn't notice ;-(

<<good revenue generation
Yep, I know that $35.00 upgrade price from VS.NET to 2003 must have brought
in tons of cash for Microsoft. But I'm not sure what the rest of your
point is.... What doesn't VS.NET do that previous versions did? I'm able to
do everythign I was able to before and a whole lot more. Yep, I can even
consume those old COM dlls I wrote a few years back without a hitch. If
learning .NET was a bad career move on my part, I need about 10 more just
like it b/c life is a lot easier these days and I make a h3ll of a lot more
money.

So since you're obviously looking to ruffle features, please, by all means,
cite some specifics. My Microsoft stock has been trading flat for a while
now and if they're raking in the revenue from VS.NET, well, I need to get
Bill on the phone and find out where my money is.

 
 
 

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Post by clinton » Sun, 07 Aug 2005 05:17:47

Don't get me started.

You haven't seen nothing until you spend more than a decade trying to do
business using products such as AutoCAD from Autodesk. I know people in
general fail to understand how fundamental CAD has become to the nation's
economy and the extent to which it is all subversively controlled and
corrupted by Autodesk. There are 'official' documents indicating the
numbers run into billions of annual losses within each market Autodesk
subversively corrupts and controls. When all is added up one subversive and
corrupt corporate parasite can be shown to be responsible for nearly a
trillion dollars of annual losses imputed into the US economy.

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Post by Rob R. Ain » Sun, 07 Aug 2005 05:50:01

. Recording lock in ADO.NET -- more hoops -- SQL time (UPDLOCK) and
BeginTransactions
2. Brain dead debugger -- I'd like to see the contents of that item in the
collection and/or datatable (debug.writeline -- ugh!)
3. Buggy as hell IDE (even more buggy with ASP.NET - Web dev projects) --
Index Services issues with web development
4. .NET framework v1.1 missing A LOT of features making virtually
impossible to remain "managed" -- consume old COM dlls at your own risk but
I see why you would since .NET framework v1.1 is so limited
5. $2000+/yr single developer if your into this game at any serious level
6. Connection management
7. OOP the MS way -- but I don't want my child to inherit ALL the
properties of the parent, well ya got create an New grandparent and inherit
from that (oh joy)
8. terrible help & search
...

And the list goes on and on.

This is progress? Just think how much money you could have made if MS had a
clue...

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Post by W.G. Ryan » Sun, 07 Aug 2005 07:22:47

ou've got to be kidding me. Is this actually the top of your list of
gripes? I'm 100% pro visual studio and I still have more serious gripes
than this.
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Post by Rob R. Ain » Sun, 07 Aug 2005 07:39:38

ist is not in any order, nor is it complete or final in anyway -- never
suggested it was hence why I said "And the list goes on and on...".

Do you want me to play the "hit your specific gripe on head" game -- it's
easier if you list YOUR SERIOUS gripes cause I'm certain that MVP entitles
you to have more SERIOUS GRIPES than anyone else. ;)



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Post by Ken Dopier » Sun, 07 Aug 2005 10:13:10

i Rob,

What do you develop with? Before you even make a dent in VS.Net you'll need
to go on and on with your list. So far you are at:

1: Pretty painless workaround.
2: Braindead compared only to VS.Net 2005, blows everything else off the
market in it's current state.
3: Compared to what? Hell doesn't count and if you name another IDE it'll
get chewed up and spit out.
4: Havn't used it much have you. The biggest thing missing is multimedia
which is why managed DX is available with books dedicated to it.
5: $899 for the Pro version. For 2K you get a heck of a lot more than an
IDE. No one offers anything for even close to the price and what is offered
is inferior.
6: Doing it yourself? Read up!
7: Getting political? Your "on and on" list is obviously coming to an end.
8: Okay your list was most definitely over at 4. The MSDN Knowledge Base is
by far the standard in development documentation.

Get some more ammo. The pea shooter you're packing is making you look weak.
Maybe hit up the trade mags to back your cause. CRN is taken seriously and
based on their ratings from a few months ago regarding development tools
they disagree with you across the board. Good luck! Ken.

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Post by Peter van » Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:13:26


In reference to your #5: Go price some competing commercial development
suites and then come back and tell us how outrageous the price is. Oracle,
for example, wants ~$10,000 per seat for its tool suite.

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Post by Rob R. Ain » Mon, 08 Aug 2005 05:56:49

en, Frans, & William

So based on the lack of meat in your responses, I will assume you agree with
me. You folks are classic -- you have small app syndrome. Increase your
work loads and you'll realize just how bad Microsoft's "Vision" is.

So, when is the next mass migration due? I suppose there are infinite ways
to come up with the same ultimate output and you're clearly accepting MS as
defacto standard. Haven't you noticed that you're ultimately doing the same
thing over and over and over but only with a different go-fast tool?
SSDD -- do you really want to progress your concepts and ideas or do you
enjoy living in the muck called VS 2003?

Even MS boast they re-wrote VS from scratch -- and this is a good thing??
What happened to code re-use? What happened to scalability? We're supposed
to be moving forward, not migrating and re-writing apps every 3-5 years --
all that does is make MS rich, and the folks we develop apps for pissed off.
You think any company wants to hear, we're gonna have to start from scratch
and/or do a huge migration project? Do you really? I don't know what
scale/size apps you folks design/code, but MS's vision is good for no one
other than MS revenue stream. It's sad that you think your doing well
(money wise and salary wise) at the expense of the companies you work for or
contract with -- or maybe you folks always write new applications and dumb
whatever currently exists. Is this really a vision you think is good for
progress? Are you really that myopic?

Rob.



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Post by Frans Boum » Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:35:54


1) your remarks were countered, so we don't agree with you
2) you're classic, namely a troll.

3) small app syndrome? LOL :)


you haven't payed attention to whom you're talking, have you? :)


nope, you haven't checked what we've done/do :)


based on what is this babbling based?


Who says you have to rewrite an app every 3-5 years? Is your software
that broken that you need to rewrite it every 3-5 years?


no you really don't know, that's for sure :P


I have really no clue what your real point is and why you spend all
this time ranting in the C# newsgroup. I have a feeling you're deeply
frustrated or something, but I don't see why that has to lead to a rant
in a newsgroup other than getting attention.

Frans



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Post by Nick Malik » Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:39:12

There is a scale of effectiveness in advertising. Roughly:
0 - you don't remember the ad 10 minutes after seeing it
1 - you vaguely remember the ad. Don't remember the product
2 - you remember the ad and agree with the point.
3 - you find the ad interesting and mention it to other people.
4 - you find the ad disruptive (funny, counterintuitive, odd) and you tell
everyone you know to see it too.

To get #3 or #4 is considered amazingly effective. Less that 1% of all
advertising will make it to "word of mouth."

I see that this ad scored a #4 for you. I'm glad that the marketing
department is doing such a fine job.

I'm not kidding.

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Post by clinton » Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:50:29

This is entertaining. See if you remember this...
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