"the water effect"

"the water effect"

Post by krouge » Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:16:05

Hi, I've recently bought Tiger and I am enjoying it very much, I do
however have an issue with the Dashboard. When adding a widget to
the dashboard on other Macs, I loved the way it has the "water
effect" as it seemingly immerges from the screen. My widgets,
however, DO NOT have that effect. I was wondering if there is a
preference pane or some other way to get the effect to work. Thank
you very much _ Tim McNulty

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Post by Martin Sam » Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:40:06

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

Usually that means your graphics card isn't up to the job - what model
do you have?

Cheers Martin


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Post by Roger John » Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:43:26

The graphics chip on your Mac probably isn't fast enough. The ripple
effect is done through Core Image, but the ripple is disabled if your
graphics chip isn't supported by Core Image.

Image and which graphics chips it works with.

Roger Johnstone, Invercargill, New Zealand
No Silicon Heaven? Preposterous! Where would all the calculators go?

Kryten, from the Red Dwarf episode "The Last Day"

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Post by Jeff Thomp » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:41:23

>The graphics chip on your Mac probably isn't fast enough. The ripple

My mac-mini doesn't ripple, either. Kind of a bummer to buy a brand
new mac and find out that it doesn't have core image support because
they skimped on what kind of graphics card to squeeze in there. Ah
well. Guess that's why it's $500.

-- Jeff // jt*@cox.net (replace * with underscore)

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Post by Davou » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:59:56

They didn't skimp. They told you going in -- with the price and with
published specs -- what you were getting. Surely you didn't buy it for
the Dashboard ripple effect!? If that's important to you, read on.

The ripple works fine on a 2.5GHz Quad-core G5 with 8GB of RAM, dual
500GB internal drives and another three terabytes outside, and two
QUADRO FX 4500 512MB SDRAM video cards -- at only $9774. Of course, the
video cards alone cost nearly seven times the price of your Mac mini


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Post by Geoffrey F » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:09:53

In article <130220061359563261% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, Davoud < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >

That's humorous. Unless you actually own such a machine, in which case
it's obnoxiously humorous! :-)

- geoff

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Post by Lunar Daw » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:32:46

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:59:56 -0500

I want to be like you when I grow up.


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Post by Davou » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:50:12

You could do worse. /A lot/ worse.


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Post by jimhil » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:18:51

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Post by 42 » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:52:05

In article <130220061359563261% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, XXXX@XXXXX.COM says...

They did skimp.

But failed to mention that those specs did not actually fully support OS
X's user interface. Expecting the customer to have to do the digging
himself to determine that a brand new Apple computer doesn't actually
fully support Apple OS X Tiger's "CoreXXXX" technologies, which form the
basis for the OSes *USER INTERFACE* is a bit ludicrous -- why would an
Apple customer even think to question it in the first place. Especially
given Apples reputation for putting out a 'quality' product that doesn't
skimp. (Colour was standard when PCs were still monochrome, stereo sound
was standard when PCs still beeped, usb was standard while PCs clung to
rs-232 and ps/2... etc)

That would be like expecting someone buying a brand new
DVD player to think to ask if it can play DVD's.

I can see it now -- get a DVD player upgrade for your mac: $55.00 -
supports single/dual layer DVD+/-R, +/-RW -RAM, CD-R/RW.

How many customers would be astute enough to notice that plain old CD-
ROM and DVD-ROM (as in audio CDs and hollywood movie DVDs) was omitted
from that alphabet soup? How many of them would actually think the
omission relevant enough to think there was a need to actually verify
that it could in fact play CD & DVD ROMs.

Would you tell such a consumer that "They didn't skimp! They told you
going in, with the price and published specs -- what you were getting"?

Or would think, like I do, that its a little ridiculous? I also think
that the Mac Mini not supporting "CoreImage" to be a little ridiculous.

Surely that is entirely beside the point.

That's mostly irrelevant... around 99.1% irrelevant....

An nvidia 6600, which like your $9774 setup will also support the ripple
effect just fine only costs $90 bucks -retail- which is 99.1% less than
the $9774 tag on your "ripple capable system". I figure apple could cut
that retail price to 1/3rd easily for just a chipset with volume
purchasing for use in the Mini, then factor in that they can subtract
out whatever they are paying for the chipset they DID put in there...
and getting a video card that core image supports into the mac mini
would probably have upped the cost maybe $15 bucks, if that.

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Post by Randy Howa » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:08:20

Davoud wrote
(in article <130220061359563261% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >):

Horseshit. It also works on sub-3K powermac.

And it's way less than impressive anyway, as you typically put
something on the dashboard and leave it there. Of course the
swirly reload thing is probably oh-so-entertaining for the
"nothing else to do" crowd.

Randy Howard (2reply remove FOOBAR)
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism by those
who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

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Post by Davou » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:29:50

Jeff Thompson:



They didn't skimp.

The little ripple effect is a *minor* feature of a particular program;
it is *not* a part of the user interface. Did Apple skimp because the
Mac mini can't render real-time effects in Final Cut Pro?


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Post by russott » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:36:24

Harumph. I remember when $10,000 would get you a microprocessor
running at 4-and-change MHZ, 512KB of RAM, a whole 10MB of hard drive space
(internal), and on-board monochrome graphics. And we LIKED it.
Ripple effect? We didn't need no s *** king ripple effect.

And I remember when $10,000 would get you a microprocessor
running at 16 MHZ, 1MB of RAM a whole 40MB of hard drive space
(internal), and unaccelerated 8-bit graphics. And we LIKED it.
Ripple effect? We didn't need no s *** king ripple effect.

(and those were REAL 1980s dollars, not these funny-looking things
with the big heads we've got now)

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Post by William Mi » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:14:52

XXXX@XXXXX.COM (Matthew Russotto) writes:

1 MB of RAM ? Who would have any use for that much, even if the
operating system allowed more than 640K?

Bill Mitchell
Dept of Mathematics, The University of Florida
PO Box 118105, Gainesville, FL 32611--8105
XXXX@XXXXX.COM (352) 392-0281 x284

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Post by Steve Hi » Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:44:46

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,

Of *course* they "skimped". It's called making engineering compromises
to meet a given product price point.

It also means that every computer/car/boat/motorcycle that isn't
all-singing, all-dancing, full-tilt-boogie, no-holds-barred flat out top
of the line in every single possible aspect *also* skimps somewhere or

Now, if you're implying that Apple somehow cheated you; you've missed
the boat there.

It does support the Mac OS X user interface; the which is designed to
gracefully use lesser features if a given behavior isn't supported by
the hardware it's running on.

And the CoreGraphics/CoreAudio/etc. features are clearly called out with
regard to the minimum hardware configurations that will exhibit those
behaviors. There should be no surprises as to what is supported and what
isn't by any given machine. Apple's not hiding that information from