Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Post by GOD » Wed, 24 Mar 2010 05:30:08


I'm donating an older Dual 533 PowerPC G4 to a niece in grad school.
However, the existing monitor, a Princeton EO90 19" CRT is too big for
her tiny apartment, thus I need to get a LCD for it.

Even better would be a combo TV/monitor for her, provided this can work
with the video hardware of this Mac.

The video card on this Mac is the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.

Guidance on what and where to buy would be much appreciated. I'm in
the U.S.

Thank you!

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Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Post by Erik Richa » Wed, 24 Mar 2010 05:54:13


Well, to begin with the last... )'m not that much home in the US stores
so I can tell where or not where to buy. - But I can tell that with this
graphics card the machine will be able to run as much as up to a 30"
Apple Cinema display if you want to spend the money for it.:-)

This graphics card isnot the original card in the dual 533mhz G4. This
card was first introduced along with the quickSilver 733mhz. There are
two types - a 32mb and a 64mb of this card available on the Mac
platform, and I'm most likely to think that your card is the 32mb
version. I had the same card on my now sold QS dual 1,8ghz CPU upgraded,
and it ran nicely and fast with my ViewSonic 28" VX2835WM in
1920x1200@60hz standard, and so it does on my small Mirrored Drive Door
(MDD) Dual 1ghz with the same card.

So as said you can buy nearly everything for this computyer. But I will
recommend not going higher than 22"-24" mainly because of prices on
larger monitors.

- HP: 20", 22", 24", 26"
Good, fast and very usable for anything - also including *** and
watching TV and/or video/DVDs. HP is having rebates right now on their
internet shop. Some of the models have built-in TV tuner, but I know
nothing about the quality of these tuners.
- Samsung: 20", 22", 24"
Just as good as the HPs, but mostly a bit more expensive. The smallest
with built-in TV tuner I know about is a 26", but this one is expensive,
and setting up the TV tuner is rather complicated. I've borrowed their
32" monitor with built-in TV tuner, and I didn't like it. It took me
about a week to adjust it so it was usable...
- ViewSonic: 21", 23", 27"
About the monitors I've seen with the best color when not real
professional monitors. At least the 27" model is also with built-in TV
tuner.

There are others both with and without built-in TV tuners, but these
above are the ones that I know most about and trust through many years
of use. Hope you can use this for something.

Cheers, Erik Richard

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Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Post by AndMagicSw » Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:29:11

Erik Richard Sensen < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:

...


The ViewSonic here (21" wide screen) is very comfortable to
look at for extended periods. VGA and DVI inputs, and
actually fair built-in speakers (a bit light on the bass, as
they're rather small). As you said, it's not professional
monitors, but the color and sharpness, contrast and image
stability are great for normal use, as I've seen with other
ViewSonics as well. I'd definitely buy another. Not all
older systems support wide screen resolutions, however, so
I'd double check that an NVIDIA card would support the
resolution.

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Post by dempso » Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:18:04


According to MacTracker, the card should have ADC and VGA connectors.

ADC is "Apple Display Connector", which is a proprietary Apple one based
on DVI, but using a different connector shape and including additional
signals (USB and power for the display). You aren't likely to find any
non-Apple displays which plug directly into this.

There were adapters to convert ADC to a standard DVI connector, which
you can probably still get from somewhere. I was able to pick one up at
a local Mac dealer three or four years ago but I haven't seen any since
then. Somewhere like Other World Computing < http://www.yqcomputer.com/ > is
likely to stock them.

If you can locate one of these adapters, the resulting DVI port is
likely to produce a slightly better quality image than VGA (by avoiding
a couple of D/A and A/D conversion stages).

VGA and DVI should be compatible with any current computer monitor you
want to try. Nearly everything I've seen in the last couple of years
supports both of these as inputs.

The maximum resolution of the GeForce2 MX is likely to be 1920x1200, but
I don't know whether that specific card will work at other aspect
ratios, such as 1920x1080 ("Full HD" for a modern TV).

For a combined TV and computer display, the VGA port is likely to be
easier to use - just look for a TV with a VGA input port and associated
audio input for the computer.

Most modern flatscreen TVs use HDMI, and you can get a DVI to HDMI
adapter or cable, but daisy-chaining adapters starts to get messy. You
would still need a separate audio cable, and the TV would have to
support separate audio input with one HDMI port.

An older TV with composite/S-Video/component inputs and no VGA input
will be harder to deal with. Some kind of video converter would be
needed.

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Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Post by dempso » Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:18:05


MacTracker lists the GeForce2 MX as one of the options for the PowerMac
G4 "Digital Audio" series (which is what the OP is talking about). It
may have even been the standard card for the dual 533 MHz model.

The same card was available at least as an option for the PowerMac G4
Cube.


MacTracker says that the GeForce2 MX supplied with the Digital Audio
series had 32 MB of VRAM.

The 64 MB model (GeForce2 MX with TwinView) appeared as an option with
the QuickSilver.

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Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Post by Erik Richa » Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:10:16


I have two ViewSonic monitors - apart from the VX2835WM I also have a
the a lot cheaper standard model - a 21,6" Q2161W (discontinued) which
normally runs on my dual 1ghz MDD with the GForce 2MX/32mb in 1680x1050.
- My other MDD - a 1,25ghz single - has a Radeon 9000Pro which says
1680x1000 with the same ViewSonic. So my guess is that the newer 22"
model also will run at the same resolution as the old one...

Here are links to the two I was thinking of:
VX2233WM (widescreen, 1080p full HD, up to 1920x1080 WUXGA)
http://www.yqcomputer.com/
VX2433wm (widescreen, 1080p full HD, up to 1920080 WUXGA)
http://www.yqcomputer.com/

A note... - and - hopefully - not actual to the OP. The ViewSonic
monitors are among the best I as a visually impaired ever have used! Not
just the color management, but the update rate and refreshrate are so
good that any kind of 'flickering' are totally gone when using the
ZoomView enlargement system in OS X. Especially the 'WM' series are
great in work and you can sit in front of these for hours without
getting very much tired in the eyes. - The longest time was nearly 15
hours with very few breaks when I was finishing a large translation. I
wasn't tired in the eyes, but my back hurted.:-)

Cheers, Erik Richard

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Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Post by Erik Richa » Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:50:11


There are 2 versions of the GForce 2MX - one with ADC+VGA 32mb or 64mb
and one with DVI+ADC 32mb or 64mb. I have had both versions, and the one
I have now in my Dual 1ghz MDD is the 2MX/64mb DVI+ADC. - The smaller QS
models were mostly delievered with the 2MX/32mb VGA+ADC


My 4 year old 32" Sharp flatpanel TV only has the VGA but with a
resolution of 1680x1050, where most other flatpanel TVs at that time
only had resolutions of 1360x768. The higher res + the fine adjustment
was the main reason I as visually impaired bought the Sharp. I would
also like to use it as my computer monitor, but it is 6 cms. too high to
fit into the place with my writing table.:-)

Such a used Sharp in 26" version might be a solution. Can't remember the
model number, but it was sold in 26", 32" and 37"...

Cheers, Erik Richard

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Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Post by Greg Buchn » Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:42:02

In article <4ba7d8f5$0$4803$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




Yes, but a 30" with that card would definitely be a waste of money. You
wouldn't be able to drive it at it's native resolution. It requires a
card with a dual-link DVI port (ATI made a version of the Radeon 9600
that has dual-link). Without that, it'll only run at a lower resolution
which is limited to 1280x800 I believe.


Yes, it is an originally available card for the Digital Audio model.

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

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Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Post by doraym » Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:47:15

In article <4ba7d8f5$0$4803$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,




You sure Erik? It was because my QS 933 (2002 model) could not
run a 24" 1920x1200 LCD on its NVIDIA GeForce4 MX that I went and
bought another card. Not on it at the moment, (moving office),
but that is my recall?

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Post by dempso » Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:35:28


I have a GeForce4 MX in my PowerMac G4 (QuickSilver 2002), and it is
perfectly happy with my Dell 24" monitor at 1920x1200, via either VGA or
DVI (using an ADC to DVI adapter).

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Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Post by RXJpayBSaW » Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:29:56


Yes, I am sure. It isn't that long ago that I sold the 'Monster QS'. At
that time I had 2x QS both with the dual 1,8ghz upgrade. - One with a
Radeon 9000Pro card and one with the 2MX/32mb card. Before i bought the
28" ViewSonic I had an Acer 24". This 24" could only handle 1680x1050 on
the 2MX card, but 1920x1200 on the 9000Pro. The 28" was connected via
the HDMI connector and it was automatically set to 1920x1200 on both
QS's. I didn't try it with the std. VGA connector. - The VX2835WM has
strangely enough only a VGA + the HDMI...

Cheers, Erik Richard

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Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Post by doraym » Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:51:57

In article <1jftys0.1l5odtg1tixoa4N% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,






So I wonder what trouble I had? I sent the Dell back rather than
fit out my Mac and PC with cards that would handle the native
resolution at that time. What I got in my trial was the 24" at
1920x1200 (stretched). It looked awful.

I have since got a better video card that can handle two screens
as a single desktop and cope with the native res of each (like a
19" Dell with something like 1280x... and an LG at 1920x1200.

Dell E248WFP Entry 24 Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor x 1 unit (500
bucks but cheap at the time. (I was not going to buy another
quality monitor after the rather fabulous 700 buck 20" Dell broke
after three years!

The card I had (still have it somewhere!) was:

Chipset Model: GeForce4 MX
Type: Display
Bus: AGP
VRAM (Total): 64 MB
Vendor: nVIDIA (0x10de)
Revision ID: 0x00a2
ROM Revision: 1091

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Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

Post by Ctalk Proj » Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:33:14

Erik Richard Sensen < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:



If you had been able to use an actual mail address I would
have followed up on this last point in e-mail. The monitors
are quite sound ergonometrically - I've been able to work
multiple extended shifts with no fault to the equipment (or
furniture) for any physical malady. Cheers in return, Robert.

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