Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by Cool dud » Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:48:54


I bought an internal to put in my Performa Mac, which has a slide in
bay. The CD-ROM does not have power, nor can my Mac find it in the SCSI
chain. I also have an external MacAlly ROM drive which works in the
external enclosure. The apple ROM Internal does not work in the
external enclosure. No power, mac cant find it.

I am thinking that the Apple 24X based CD-ROM drive was sold to me
broken by my Ebay friend. But the seller denies it.

What do you say? It is remotely plausable that my Mac's CD-ROM slide in
bay could be damaged? I highly doubt it, as I've had another drive
there before, which did have power, and was dected.

But you guys know better...
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by shamin » Mon, 20 Oct 2003 03:03:35

Cool dude < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:

Double-check all your connections. Make sure everything's actually
attached.

I'm unfamiliar with the "slide in bay" mechanism, but if it's like
other driver carriers I've seen, you should check the connections
between the drive and the carrier.

Also, check to make sure your SCSI ID is set correctly. I think
Apple typically uses ID 3 for CD-ROM drives.

-- David

 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by nospamsam. » Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:14:41


Clarify a few things for me:

1) when you say slide in bay I assume you mean the drive slid into the
computer's case from the front.

2) you say it has no power. You mean if you clock on the drive door it
doesn't open? Sounds like there's no electricity. Are you sure you have
the drive plugged into the power supply?

3) you refer to a MacAlly ROM drive that works in an external encloser
and that the Apple ROM drive doesn't work in it. Assume you mean that
you put the drive you pulled out of the Performa into a MacAlly external
enclosure. Again, if there is no power it sounds like you haven't
connected the drive to the power supply
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by Cool dud » Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:38:36

In article <1g31blj.moemxat93ajsN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,






Yes


Yes.
The drive is plugged into power. The whole computer and the floppy disk
drive also power up.
Bye the way its a Performa 6360.


Yes the Apple CD does not work in the external enclosure, but the
MacAlly drive does.

Again, if there is no power it sounds like you haven't

The drive is connected, because I took the Apple Rom drive out of the
external case and put the MacAlly one back in, and I had power.
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by Cool dud » Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:40:50

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, XXXX@XXXXX.COM (David C.)



How can I? The Performa 6360 has a slide out Motherboard, and its
difficult to access the other parts of the case. Its not like a typical
computer, where you can easily get to that stuff.



Performa 6360 uses a slide drive bay.

The SCSI ID should be set to 3. The pins are set in.
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by shamin » Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:45:43

Cool dude < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:

I'm not referring to the computer-side of the drive bay. That
obviously works if the old drive can still be attached.

I'm referring to the CD-ROM drive. A normal SCSI drive won't just
"slide in" to anything. So the drive must be mounted on a carrier of
some kind. The connection between the drive and that carrier may not
be secure.

-- David
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by Cool dud » Mon, 20 Oct 2003 22:47:17

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, XXXX@XXXXX.COM (David C.)




Its perfectly secure. The drive mounts on a mounting kit. Take a look
at the 6360. I slide the drive into the front and it snaps in.

Yesterday I tested my external enclosure again, and yes the Apple ROM
drive was unable to get power, while my MacAlly ROM drive was. I even
went to the extreme of unplugging the device from my Mac, and only into
a outlet. The Apple ROM drive is dead, while the MacAlly drive was able
to gain power.

I think I got sold a lemon on Ebay
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by mike » Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:20:17


I think you've done all you can to demonstrate that it simply won't
power up. The seller ought to refund your money.

--
Mike Rosenberg

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Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by Cool dud » Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:12:59

In article <1g32q22.1ruldix22l9jkN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,





He denies its broken, but I'm sending it back Monday and he plans to
refund me. The bad News is that, I will need to find another 24X
Internal ROM drive, which will probably cost more than $40.
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by mike » Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:33:50


If you don't mind my asking, since you apparently have a perfectly
functional CD-ROM drive already, why do you want this? The 6360 itself
wouldn't sell for $40 on eBay. I realize that a 24X drive is faster
than what you currently have, but will that make any practical
difference?

Also bear in mind that you can get a beige G3, which has a 24X CD-ROM
drive, for around $100.

--
Mike Rosenberg

< http://www.yqcomputer.com/ > Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
< http://www.yqcomputer.com/ > Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by Cool dud » Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:24:57

In article <1g339uz.1lh6g4p1p1abwjN% XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,





A beige G3 does not have a Sonnettech G3 upgrade Card as fast as mine,
nor a HD as big, nor as much RAM, nor as fast of an Ethernet card.
Adding all that, and some parts wont transfer over, will cost more than
$100. I make any major changes and its better to buy a new world Mac.

I am doing this because my external is busted. It powers on, but its
broken.
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by shamin » Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:28:11

> He denies its broken, but I'm sending it back Monday and he plans to

Keep in mind that you shouldn't need a drive that's made for the 6360.

I just did some web searching for the 6200/6300 series service
manual. (Do a web search for performa_6200.6300.pdf, adn you should
find at least one site with it.)

Your CD-ROM is a generic SCSI drive with a plastic "CD-ROM Carrier"
screwed on to the bottom of the drive.

You should be able to get any SCSI CD-ROM drive you like. Unscrew
the carrier from the bottom of your old drive and *** it onto the
new drive and you're all set.

The picture in the manual (an admittedly low-resolution
dithered-monochrome image) shows a carrier just like the one in my
Quadra 840av. I replaced my factory drive (a 2x) with a generic
Panasonic 40x drive and had no problems with it.

The only potential gotcha I can see here is if the tray of the new
drive doesn't fit through the cutout in the front bezel. You may
have to trim away some plastic if the new drive doesn't have the tray
in the exact same place as the factory drive. From the pictures I've
got, it looks like a generic drive should work, but it's hard to tell
from a photo.

FWIW, my replacement drive didn't line up at all with the original
bezel, but my factory-installed drive was a caddy-loading drive, so I
didn't expect it to. For a while, I just ran the computer with the
bezel removed, which looks ugly. Then I did some web searches and
found a vendor on-line who sold me a replacement bezel with a bigger
opening that could accommodate a generic drive.)

Once the drive is installed and working, you may find that the Apple
CD-ROM system extension doesn't work with it. If so, you can use
either a third-party extension (like CharisMac's Discribe) or you can
hack the Apple driver (there's an article at ResExcellence that
describes how to do this.) I hacked the Apple driver to get mine to
work.

Good luck.

-- David
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by Joe Heiman » Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:15:15


The 6360 is different in a number of ways from the 6200/6300, so that
service manual may not be completely helpful.




The carrier in the Performa desktop series is different from the one
used by the 840. It has attached SCSI and audio connector adapters
that provide card edge connectors that plug into slots inside the
desktop case. If the location of the SCSI and audio slots on the
replacement CD-Rom drive are off from the original one, then these
edge connectors will not plug into the slots inside correctly. There
is no SCSI cable in the case going to the CD-Rom drive, so alignment
needs to be very close to original.
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by Cool dud » Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:07:08

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, XXXX@XXXXX.COM (David C.)




Your wrong. You do. I tried installing my external 24X macAlly drive
into the 6360 with the correct mounts and it did not fit. Know my
MacAlly drive is busted I will need to purchase a Apple 24X Internal
from preowned.com or someone else on Ebay.
 
 
 

Broken CD-ROM drive, or broken Mac?

Post by mike » Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:52:39


Sorry, John, I didn't realize it was you. I thought it was someone
else, with a stock 6360 with the standard processor. You'd be able to
use your current HD in any G3 or G4 tower, though, and of course you'd
be able to install more RAM in any of them than the 6360 can take, for
very little money.

--
Mike Rosenberg

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