Why we like ORIC ???

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by mrri » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 03:40:02


I am sure, that my feelings to ORIC is not only nostalgia. It is something more.
But I don't really understand myself.
Want to hear oricians thoughts about it.
WHy?
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by Jean-Yves » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 04:49:04


Something easy to know (not very complicated machine), but nice tricks
to do. No nostalgy at all, I was 3 when it was first sold :)



--
Jean-Yves Lamoureux
Software developper
jylam at lnxscene dot org

 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by Jean-Yves » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:16:13


Kidding ? There is no grey, only ugly colors, not even a palette !


the advantages (this maybe _is_ nostalgia) of instant-on
Like most of 80's machines, that's not Oric specific. But that's cool,
indeed :)

and a well-designed machine/system.
Kidding again ? Accessing sound generator via, hum, VIA is quite ugly,
as well as keyboard mapping.

No, no, technically it was good, but at the same tim were living better
computer (don't know much the C64, but it seems to be quite more
powerful, just for processor frequency for example)

The oric is black and red, that's quite nice, the keyboard rocks, but I
really think that the reason why many people love it is that they
actually CAN understand it. You can't do that on a PC. On Oric you can
know everything about the machine internals (ask mr Franc :)

And for you, old guys without any teeth know, the most part must be
nostalgy I guess :) (but I don't have this problem, I saw an Oric for
the first time less than one year ago=)





--
Jean-Yves Lamoureux
Software developper
jylam at lnxscene dot org
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by Steve Mars » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:39:58


"Jean-Yves Lamoureux" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote




I think he meant the livery not the palette.

Steve M
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by Steve Mars » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:50:13


"norik" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote

more.

Back in the eighties - and seventies, I guess - we looked through the
magazines fantasising about different machines and what they could do. There
were different packages and each one had different merits or negative
aspects. The BBC was very good but too expensive and some said, not enough
memory. The ZX81 was mono and had only 1K with a rubbish 'keyboard' (but we
still had fun on it, didn't we ?). The VIC20 was quite good but a reduced
screen area and only 5K. etc etc.

Oric-1 was the one that seemingly had all the things I wanted - well the
nearest to it for a price I could afford. The case looked good, which is
always a good start. The keyboard was well thought out. The keyclick helped
typing and the keys were properly spaced out and there was a space bar !!!
Along with colour graphics, good sound facilities, decent peripherals like
the plotter and connection to 'the internet of it's day', it all added up to
a wonderful little package.

So the reason is really that it is the machine that suited us. It was the
toy we'd been waiting for.

Steve M
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by Mickael Po » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 06:53:02

> No, no, technically it was good, but at the same tim were living better

C64 is also 1mhz...
Atari 800 XL is 1.79mhz =)




;)

Dbug
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by Jean-Yves » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 07:14:11


shit, I pooed on myself :)


reconized yourself ? :)









--
Jean-Yves Lamoureux
Software developper
jylam at lnxscene dot org
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by Andre Majo » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 08:54:53


Do you mean "why do you like the Oric in the absolute" or "why
do you like the Oric more than the other computers available at
the time" ?

The Oric was very hacker friendly because it had a programming
language in ROM, always available. The language had the unusual
feature of being both easy to learn *and* powerful, thanks to
PEEK, POKE and CALL. That's what made it such a fun machine to
use. But that was hardly specific to the Oric. Most machines of
that time had a BASIC interpreter in ROM.

What was specifically likeable in the Oric was its very high
features/price ratio for the time. On top of that, the Atmos had
an impressive keyboard, but I bought an Oric-1 so that's not
what drew me to it.

I like the 6502, it's got a neat (if limited) instruction set.

Other than that, I'm not sure I particularly "like" the Oric. If
I could go back in 1983, I'd look harder at the competition.
Hmm, did the Spectrum ever have a FDD ?

--
Andr?Majorel <URL: http://www.yqcomputer.com/ ~amajorel/>
If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we
despise, we don't believe in it at all. -- Noam Chomsky
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by Anders Car » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:36:00

Andre Majorel < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:


Through third party I believe. Of course, several years later when
Amstrad had bought the whole package, the +3 model was equipped with
floppy (3", or is that 3.5" even?).

--
Anders Carlsson
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by mrri » Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:23:46


I think, that Oric indeed have a nice colours!
The colors of Spectrum (in spite of 16 colours) was not such bright
and beutiful as Oric's 8 , so games, pictures, and other programs was
less nice and entertainment. BTW, I have not much software for Oric,
in the former USSR it was a big problem, but there was quite a lot of
programs for Spectrum. So, I asked my parents to buy me one of the
Spectrum clones. And we, all my family, were disappointed by Spectrum
soft after Oric bright colours and beutiful games.
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by mrri » Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:13:40

robert bazley" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote in message news:<EUHRa.23682$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >...

I like the concept of open architecture. I have many troubles when
working with open architecture computer, but I know, that it is a good
idea. If, for example Apple will go bankrupt, it means the end of all
Macintosh lines. If the same will happen to IBM, that means nothing.
Computers with this concept are making many different firms! Every man
can get a motherboard, cpu, HDD, RAM and assemble it all in the box
from footwear. IMHO, that is the main reason, why PC has won.
Similiarly, I like Linux for open source concept! Couse it is a
system, made by humanity! And if a big meteorite will fall on the
microsoft's office, or if Linus Torvald will go to writing programs
for Microsoft as an ordinar programmer, Linux will alive and alive,
couse it made by people from all other a world, by humanity! More of
that, we have an OS, that reflects our thoughts and wishes, for
example I like "blackbox" window manager, and my friend using XPde.
So, Why I like Oric?
When has got my first PC, the same was when I got Spectrum, I made it
only for the compatibility! I wish to write program, that will work on
every computer around. I want to write texts not in the Oric's text
editor, couse I have no printer! So, I must work with even every DOS
editor, and then can go, spend money and print the typed text. That is
the reason, why I have bought PC.
That was a 286 machine with CGA adapter. In spite of more powerful
cpu (12 mhz), big HDD (40 mb), big resolution (640x350), this computer
was not such entertainable, as Oric! There was the ugly PC speaker,
and very bad sound in all programs, and every time, when I have runned
a game, I have recollected very interesting and nice programs on the
Oric! As I have mentioned later, 16 Spectrum colours IMHO has very bad
hues, or shades, and all Spectrum soft lost in the reasno of ugly
colors! First I have a satisfaction from playing PACMAN (Ms. Pacman)
on a PC only with a 486 machine with Win95, Svga adapter, and Sound
chip installed!
I think, that Oric versions, were more entertainable, that all DOS PC
versions, such Luxman, PAcman... etc...
I also liked 8 and 16bit Ataris. That was a great computers! When I
played Montesuma's Revenge at PC, I fell with all my skin how poor
CGA/EGA PC graphics instead of Atari's 256 colours and less
resolution, and poerful sound.
And I am awfully sorry, that the Oric was not become a compatibility
standart computer, such first computer with an open architecture -
IBM PC. I have read at Fabrices site a history of Oric, and noticed,
that many Oric compatible models were made in the different countries.
so, there was a chance, that Oric become a computer with an open
architecture, but it was too late! IBM with HDDs, 16 bit processors,
and 80x25 text resolution graphic adapters, many compatible printers,
driver concept, and even network adapters, was the obviously right
choice for every office and family.
But Why I don't like PC such as Oric, I don't understand at all.
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by mrri » Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:18:47


the masses flocked to the most popular machine but not the best

yes!
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by g6jp » Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:26:02


: Andre Majorel < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > writes:

: > Hmm, did the Spectrum ever have a FDD ?

: Through third party I believe. Of course, several years later when
: Amstrad had bought the whole package, the +3 model was equipped with
: floppy (3", or is that 3.5" even?).
[]
The Amstrad machine (last in the sequence of ones with a keyboard with a drive
on the end - originally cassette) did use the same, 3", discs as the Atmos, as
did the Einstein. I think the last machine to use them was the Amstrad PCW -
arguably the first word processing system that wasn't more bother than use
(and no, I didn't have one).
--
J. P. Gilliver | Tel: +44 1245 242133
England, United Kingdom. | Email: john.gilliver [] baesystems.com
| (replace "[]" with "@")
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by Steve Mars » Sun, 20 Jul 2003 07:47:03


"Andre Majorel" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM > wrote



Oooo, you've said it again !

You could have got an Einstein. They were the first computer to have a built
in FDD using the 3" like the Oric. Built in MOS (machine code). All other
languages were loaded from disk to save memory.
More colours, but it has hardware sprites . There is the same sound but the
computer runs much much faster. A plug in gives 80 column screen (mono).

It had a Z80 and in some ways was similar to a Z80 version of the BBC -
except it had more memory, more colours, better graphics etc etc.

There you are ! Get your self a Tatung Einstein ! (You might like it ).

Steve M
 
 
 

Why we like ORIC ???

Post by P » Sun, 20 Jul 2003 08:15:44

My point of view might be a bit different. I remember all the things I do
when I was using my oric in 1980's where I have no friend of orician, no
programs, no tapes, no games etc. The diffuculties I was faced in that times
made oric something miracilous for me then. Still there's no one around who
even "know" oric but my love to oric just increased day by day since then.

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