Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Post by Alex » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:31:02


Hi Everyone,

I hope to start testing a migration from Sharepoint Portal Services
2003 and WSS 2003 to 2007 very soon, but I have some questions.

First off, can someone recommend some good books on 2007 as I hear it's
quite different from 2003. Also for anyone who's made this migration
before, can you give me any pointers or caveats? How clean is the
install? I'm just curious if it's one of those things where we install
SPS/WSS 2007 on the 2003 server and all is upgraded at once and works,
or do I need to wipe the server, install SPS/WSS 2007, and restore from
the 2003 backups? All I can find on Microsoft's site is the marketing
mumbo jumbo on all the benefits of 2007. I need some details on the
migration :)

This is what I plan on testing with a second server, but I thought I'd
pick the brains of those who have gone through this already.

Thanks for any assistance or suggestions --

Alex
 
 
 

Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Post by Steve Smit » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:50:41

I am writing several white papers on ' how to ' do the Upgrade from 2003
that you may find useful in your testing. The current one is for In Place
Upgrades and my Gradual will be available shortly. You can get the paper
here
http://www.yqcomputer.com/ %202007.htm

Steve Smith
www.combined-knowledge.com

 
 
 

Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Post by Mike Wals » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:52:05

I have a complete (I hope) list of SharePoint 2007 books here.

http://www.yqcomputer.com/ %20FAQ/V%20Books.aspx

None of them are yet released ! (Though many can be pre-ordered from
Amazon).

(But please get your terms right. You are upgrading from SPS 2003 to MOSS
2007 - WSS doesn't come into it.)

There are three upgrade paths. Two are upgrade in site and one relies on you
taking a backup of the database and using this in a new installation.

Microsoft *do* have papers for this installaion not just marketing papers.
You can find links to them by going here

http://www.yqcomputer.com/ %20for%202007%20Products/AllItems.aspx

and searching on upgrading - there's also a web cast


Mike Walsh
WSS FAQ www.wssv3faq.com / wss.collutions.com
No private questions please (additions to FAQ welcome)
 
 
 

Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Post by Alex » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:15:46


Hi Everyone,

Where we currently use SPS 2003 and WSS, when we move to MOSS 2007, how
do we get WSS? Wasn't WSS part of Windows Server 2003 or is WSS 3.0
now part of MOSS 2007? This is a feature we use to give each
department their own WSS site, so just curious as we'll need it with
MOSS 2007 as well.

Also I've seen lots of folks talk about migrating or doing a clean
install. It seems migrating is a royal PITA, and since we just went
live with our SPS2003/WSS server this summer, I wonder if it'd be best
for us to just start from scratch and copy all the content over
manually (not too much yet as folks are still learning the new system).

Sorry about the terms, I've not found anything online that really goes
into detail about 2003 vs 2007 and what equals what. Microsoft's site
is generally marketing stuff full of buzz words like Collaboration,
Business Intelligence, and stuff like that. I want to see something
like, You have SPS 2003 and WSS, here's how MOSS 2007 equates to that
and what's need to upgrade. Since I've seen entire 5-day classes (at
$2700 a pop) plus $$$ applications to 'make migration easier', I take
it the migration isn't a piece of peach pie anyway.

Thanks for the info, and the site is great! I'll check it out further.

Alex
 
 
 

Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Post by Mike Wals » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:26:51

o explain.

What you have installed is SPS 2003 - this includes a WSS part but the
product you are running is SPS 2003.

You are not running WSS (which is a product in its own right with its own
installation routine).

Similarly in v3 there are two main products both of which rely on WSSv3
*foundation software* being there - MOSS 2007 and (a different installation)
WSSv3.

WSSv3 the product is a small-scale free implementation using the WSS v3
foundation software and MOSS 2007 is a large scale pricey implementation
using the WSS v3 foundation software. In effect MOSS 2007 is the WSS v3
product plus a mass of bundled web parts.

Does that make it clearer ?

It's always better to stick to only the terms SPS 2003 and MOSS 2007 because
they are the products you have installed. Adding WSS to the mix only makes
us wonder if you have installed (say) SPS 2003 on one server and WSS on
another server.

Mike Walsh

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Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Post by Alex » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:55:07


Hi Mike,

That does explain it greatly... thanks. I always assumed on our SPS
2003 server that we were running the two seperate applications, SPS and
WSS, but your explanation makes since. I mainly wanted to make sure
that if we installed MOSS 2007 that we still have that ability to
create WSS sites for each of our departments as we do now, and I didn't
know if this required installing WSS separately from MOSS 2007 or if it
was included. I take it from your note that it's part of MOSS 2007,
which is what I hoped.

We have an enterprise licensing agreement with MS, so I plan to
download MOSS 2007 as soon as I have a server setup with Windows 2003
Server Standard and MS SQL 2005 Standard. Then I'll have the fun time
of trying to see how hard/easy it is to migrate data from our existing
SPS 2003 server.

Thanks for the great info... unfortunately there's so much info our
there, it's hard for me to find simple explanations of how all this
stuff works together. Sharepoint is really my first venture with
managing a Microsoft enterprise application (other then MS SQL), and
not knowing ASP.Net, VB/C#, or how the Microsoft products tie into one
another, Microsoft doesn't make it that intuitive or obvious to figure
out. I come from the world of OSS, and there things just seem
simpler... but that's just my observation from 20 years of working with
computers :-D

Thanks again,

Alex
 
 
 

Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Post by Hollis Pau » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:22:26


Mike,

You may want to refer people to this URL when you see the need to write all
this again:

http://www.yqcomputer.com/

It is a nice, clear, incisive statement.

Hollis Paul
Mukilteo, WA USA
 
 
 

Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Post by Mike Wals » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:24:02

ou are right - you'll be able to do all your "WSS" things in MOSS 2007 -
the difference to SPS 2003 as far as that goes is that everything in MOSS is
based in effect on WSS sites whereas SPS 2003 has those two parts SPS and
WSS

(Just to confuse us all an SPS 2003 install installed first the WSS part and
then the SPS part and you needed to install both WSS SP2 and SPS SP2 in that
order - but it was still in all a SPS 2003 installation not a WSS one -
confused again :) )

Note: Make sure you read up on upgrading SPS 2003 to MOSS 2007 first before
installing your MOSS 2007.

Mike Walsh

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Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Post by Alex » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:53:58


Hi Mike,

Once more, thanks for the great info! What I actually hope to do is
setup a test server for MOSS 2007, and I'll see how difficult it is to
recreate our SPS 2003 content on the MOSS 2007 server. If it's not too
difficult, I'll do this and start from scratch on the production
server. Once the production server is reloaded and MOSS 2007 is up,
I'll backup from test server and restore to live server.

In theory that's my plan, unless there's some tool that'll let me
migrate from SPS 2003 to MOSS 2007 simpler. We actually don't have
just alot of content on the SPS 2003 server, so I think I could spend a
week copying data and get it all moved across. This is a PITA, but it
might be simpler then trying to learn some crazy upgrade process I'll
only use once.

Thanks again for all your help, and I'll post updates on my progress as
I move forward with this.

Alex
 
 
 

Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Post by Mike Wals » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:00:36

It's a nice thought (Thanks, Hollis) I was surprised though that the "nice,
clear, incisive" statement was mine :)

Now if only I could find a place to store this link so that I find it when I
need it. ...

Mike Walsh
 
 
 

Migrating from SPS/WSS 2003 to 2007

Post by Hollis Pau » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:27:02


Chalk it up as being at the end of a long, tiring day?

That is always the problem. What I have done is set up an source/index for the
blog, and just do a search on that source. I have an article on the blog about
how to crawl a dotText blog, and though my blog is now run by Community Server,
it is essentially the same. The only real difference is how one gets the jump
tables. As it is, I create the jump table from the latest archive list and
post it under the Jump Table tag. So, anybody with an internal IIS web site
can set up the crawl and be able to search the content of the blog.

Hollis Paul
Mukilteo, WA USA